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Post by Atreju on Apr 24, 2018 10:45:12 GMT
As they did also resculpts from original models in the past, I think that is the decision they come by with Sans Detour during their communication. They are not allowed to further produce the recasts, but can use the sculpts based on artwork etc. and rename it.
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Post by balkanbub on Apr 25, 2018 10:19:10 GMT
I used the 1 Dollar Option. I still hope tat i will be able to get some of the armypacks without buying the whole Box and also the terrain pack.
Maybe they drop this all or nothing mentality now that it founded in no time
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Post by Atreju on Apr 25, 2018 10:43:17 GMT
There is a Stretch Goal for the single army boxes, but that's at 1.250.000€, and they are at 613.000 at the moment, so that'll take a while.
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Post by balkanbub on Apr 25, 2018 11:07:08 GMT
Well...
Hope dies last i guess^^
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Post by gohkm on Apr 27, 2018 1:21:20 GMT
There's now a resin option. Is it too little, too late?
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Post by thetang22 on Apr 28, 2018 17:15:59 GMT
There's now a resin option. Is it too little, too late? My personal feeling: Yes. They've spent way too much of their time being stubborn and oblivious to fan desires. Way too many communication problems. When they DO offer something up, a lot of the time it feels like they don't understand what the fan base would really want. They keep trying to offer little extra incentives to the base pledge, but what they don't understand is that beyond the people who have already pledged up to this point....the base pledge is simply too expensive to appeal to the vast majority of people - no matter what it is. And most people don't like taking expensive risks unless their are lots of positive signs that it will pay off. But this campaign has been doing the opposite. And for this campaign to be a genuine success, I really think they require a lot more backers at their base pledge level than they have. But they aren't going to get any substantial amount of new backers for the base pledge. They seem to lack a true understanding of how this whole thing should have gone, and aren't interested in hearing any ideas that challenge their original plan. I know the fanboys in the campaign hate hearing this, but the only way this is going to be a real success is by cancelling the current campaign, wait some time, and relaunch. BUT - in the downtime between cancel and relaunch, they have to display a real commitment to all the people they've been ignoring in the leadup to the campaign. They need to act like they want community involvement in meaningful ways. They have to rebuild the trust that they destroyed over the past couple months. And THEN they need to relaunch, showing a campaign that would indicate they've truly learned from the mistakes of this one. But...I think they are too stubborn to do that.
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Post by gohkm on May 4, 2018 4:01:13 GMT
There's an all resin pledge now for 990 euros.
I reckon the Kickstarter will fund, but they've burned a lot of good will along the way. This is going to impact Resurrection next year.
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Post by thetang22 on May 4, 2018 16:03:51 GMT
There's an all resin pledge now for 990 euros. That's a pretty direct example of when I said: "When they DO offer something up, a lot of the time it feels like they don't understand what the fan base would really want.
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Post by xhatterx on May 4, 2018 16:16:40 GMT
I was the 12th person the pledge for the KS and I'm excited for it!!! Since this KS started I have purchased some Confrontation Miniatures to actually start playing. I am thankful for the boot or kick in the ass to help me get into Confrontation. To me the price / items in the KS are best kind! But I do see other points people have been making, I just think this KS will help with future painting , RPGs , and other games I will play + Confrontation Cheers
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Post by tyrrus on May 5, 2018 2:48:40 GMT
Since I own a couple of armies, the kickstarter is suboptimal for me, I would get a lot of miniatures I already own.
But how many miniatures, do you get with all the streched goals?
Because: plastic: 320 € / 178 = 1,79 € per miniature resin: 990 € / 178 = 5,56 € per miniature
If I remember correctly from the old days, where you could buy the confrontation miniatures in lead. One Blister with 3 miniatures in it, costed like 10-12 €. If it was a bigger miniature, like a boss, or monster, 15 - 20 € ?
12 € / 3 = 4 € per miniature (lead)
That would mean, that the resin miniatures from the kickstarter, are more expensive than the old lead miniatures. Yes I know, you would have to take inflation into account. If I did the math correct, 2 % Inflation over 10 years, for a miniature, which costs 4 €, would be 80 Cent.
So with inflation. 4,80 €
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Post by jert on May 5, 2018 13:08:39 GMT
Yes, but those same commodities (metal original rackham miniatures) are now super inflated due to rarity on eBay and through private sales. Therefore, the unit price per metal miniature at current market value is substantially higher than the price for plastic or resin equivalents from the kickstarter. Unless you have a time machine, I don't think you can really use the original price of the metal miniatures as a comparison.
Just food for thought...
For me personally, the kickstarter encouraged me to hunt for and buy the rest of my confrontation collection from various sources, and then actually get into the game. I think the bigger idea we should be focusing on from this kickstarter - which, let's admit, has been pretty bungled from the get-go - is that it'll help get new players into confrontation as well as old players to renew their passion.
Plus that's a freaking sweet map they're offering - if nothing else.
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Post by thetang22 on May 5, 2018 18:33:21 GMT
I'll be honest - this Kickstarter, or even Resurrection doesn't seem like it will offer me much, beyond just padding my collection with additional models. From the gaming aspect, a tabletop skirmish game just doesn't fit my gaming capabilities these days, due to the type of gamers I have available.
That being said, I'm more interested to see what they have in store for board games in the future. Sans Detour had indicated early in that they had plans for at least 1 or 2 board games set in the Aarklash setting. THIS is very it could get very interesting to me. Another Hybrid? (Hybrid: Prime, or Hybrid: Evolution both sound like they'd be appropriate sequel names). I've always loved the Cadwallon setting, and have long wanted a proper adventure game set in the city....a possible mix of Hybrid and the Cadwallon RPG. I'd also be very intrigued to see something entirely new and unexpected.
That being said...I've been losing my trust in Sans Detour in the past few months...so I don't even really know if I can get too excited about anything they would do. I really hope they surprise me, though.
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Post by gohkm on May 6, 2018 1:37:15 GMT
A couple of people have remarked to me that SD aren't selling the game itself very well.
If this is the prevalent attitude, SD might have a tough fight in bringing in new players.
I'm keeping an eye on this, and especially Resurrection next year, but after copping a couple of nasty messages, I'm steering clear of the cheerleader crowd.
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Post by dienikes on May 9, 2018 15:34:46 GMT
The only thing I am hoping for from this kickstarter is to see more people playing confrontation in the end.
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Post by Il Bastardo Magnifico on May 19, 2018 15:14:01 GMT
The only thing I am hoping for from this kickstarter is to see more people playing confrontation in the end. The player base will probably remain the same or might even decline, due to SD's attitude... Anyone heard the news about yje Legends of Signum: Battle for Vallor KS being shutdown? Right after the Confrontation KS ended, LoS got hit with DMCA claim by Stellar. What are the chances that SD might've used this cash grab to partially or entirely fund their legal expenses? This is what HaleysRedComet said about the Con KS during the campaign(p30 Dakka):
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