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Post by haleysredcomet on May 23, 2018 14:52:29 GMT
Hey, that's me! Can't believe I just found this forum.
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Post by owenmatthew on May 25, 2018 1:51:03 GMT
Hey, that's me! Can't believe I just found this forum. Lol! Well said, btw. |
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Post by gohkm on Mar 12, 2019 9:52:16 GMT
Looks like SD went out of business in Jan 2019 (possibly earlier).
There's an update in the new Cthulhu War Kickstarter, where Peter Sandersen said that Ludik Bazaar and SD declared bankruptcy, owing a tremendous amount of cash to Chaosium.
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Post by danakil on Mar 16, 2019 20:16:44 GMT
Doesn’t look well for the backers, certainly
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Post by dienikes on Mar 26, 2019 4:19:01 GMT
Sucks for the backers for sure. Was really hoping this Kickstarter would have gone over smoothly so that more people would start playing.
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Post by haleysredcomet on Apr 18, 2019 15:58:23 GMT
I think there is some confusion between Sans Detour and Ludik Bazaar. Ludik went out of business, and because the two companies shared employees and an address it could easily be seen as being the same thing. I don't think SD has gone under at this time.
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Post by dienikes on Apr 30, 2019 13:41:50 GMT
That’s not what most people are saying in the Kickstarter comments /comments
Keith McCoy
about 18 hours ago
I had read that article/forum, and was not really surprised to see this. It seems that over the years this exact same group of friends have had several businesses claimed to be “separate” officially, but all seem to be the exact same group of people running each. It just further strengthens the opinion for me that claiming Ludik was not the same business as Sans Detour is just a bunch of BS. It appears that ALL businesses this group of guys run are all basically the same thing, with them shifting assets around as is convenient for them to avoid accountability when one of their venture’s fails. Which, over the past few years seems to be a more common occurrence.
At this point - anyone still defending this is either a personal friend/family of the guys running SD, or someone without any sense. It is quite clear these guys are shady as #%^*.
I REALLY hope these guys lose the Confrontation license, and that it goes into the hands of more capable people who genuinely want to do something positive with the brand.
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Post by thetang22 on Apr 30, 2019 15:01:18 GMT
Well, being as I am Keith McCoy, and the linked comment is mine - let me explain:
HaleysRedComet is correct. On paper, and legally, Sans Detour and Stellar Licensing and Ludik Bazaar and Ludik Bay and Ludik (whatever else business name they used) are/were all TECHNICALLY different businesses. But that's pretty much where the differences end.
All evidence suggests that the group of guys that appear to be buddies and the owners/operators of these businesses have set up their situation to ride the fine line between legal and ethical. Yes, they ARE technically separate legal entities, but anyone with any common sense, and has paid attention to the details of what has been going on can read between the lines.
- The same people are in charge.
- The businesses shared the same locations.
- There were several instances of "conflict of interest" type business situations between their different companies
- Plenty of shady activity happening between the different businesses. Such as the recent example of Stellar buying all remaining Cthulhu content, to then sell as "used" from Stellar, to bypass the technicality of Sans Detour no longer having the rights to sell the content after a certain date. But - Stellar is the same group of business buddies as Sans Detour...so it's the same people selling the items, just under a different business name.
I could go on and on, but simply don't have the available time to do so right now. EVERYTHING about this has just been too convenient for the people running Sans Detour. They have set up a system to avoid accountability by shifting assets around between their various businesses, as is convenient for whatever their current circumstances are.
I do stand by everything said in the KS comment, but Haley is correct as well. It's just viewing the situation from 2 different points of view.
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Post by dienikes on May 1, 2019 12:54:13 GMT
All very good signs that the Kickstarter is being horribly run. In the end I still believe the backers are getting a raw deal
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Post by amarelezovic on Jun 5, 2019 14:28:37 GMT
Metal...
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Post by dienikes on Dec 19, 2020 3:12:23 GMT
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